That sounds like a pretty good reason! Thanks! :)
I feel like this is also subjective. If they bought one of the Russian orcas now, or within the near future I would feel the need to stop supporting them. However once they’re already in captivity and have been long enough so that releasing wouldn’t be an option, if their conditions were less than admirable I would respect Sea World’s choice to purchase one or more to get them out of a bad situation.
How does waiting a few years make it any different? To me, there is none. These animals were captured specifically for captivity - for entertainment.
Purchasing animals caught from the wild does nothing but continue to promote wild captures. It makes as much sense as being against puppy mills but buying all your pets from a pet store to “rescue” them. It doesn’t matter if your reasons are supposedly good, at the end of the day, the money still ends up going to the people who continue to abuse animals and you end up making the cycle of abuse worse.
That’s not what I meant. It would be the same as rescuing an animal that may have been born in a puppy mill but was adopted at the SPCA. In the end it’s about animal well fare for me. Sea World might not have the ability to do anything about it anyway. Russia has other plans for the animals. But in a few years when they’re not splurging for the olympics or doing publicity stunts, what’s to happen to these animals after they’ve become accustomed to seeing stainless steel buckets as their food source? If their living conditions become atrocious and funding for their care disappears, I could support Sea World’s purchase of the animals if only to get them out of a bad situation.
I think that is a really awful comparison. When the SPCA takes a puppy out of a puppy mill they are going on to hopefully be put in a home with a loving caring family. SeaWorld waiting around to take these captured whales off Russia’s hands doesn’t have a happy ending. They are not going on to a better living situation on the larger scale.
Also puppies born in puppy mills are (wrongfully) bred for that reason (profit), while these animals are being taken a way from their ideal situation, in the wild with their families.
Also can everyone STOP COMPARING DOGS TO ORCAS. They are no where close to even being in the same group.
I do really well when I take asks like this sentence by sentence.
I understand that Seaworld takes good care of their orcas. They do compared to industries like Loro Parque and the Miami Seaquarium and Marineland Canada.
Alright. We’re mostly agreed here. Loro Parque is closed. Miami Seaquarium would not be allowed to have these animals if they weren’t up to code with the Animal Welfare Act and the Marine Mammal Protection Act. As I have never been to Miami Seaquarium or Marineland Canada I can’t say whether or not I feel either facility takes proper care of their animals.
However, they do not belong in a tank. It’s wrong.
Their pools are state of the art. While I realize that this doesn’t mean they offer the same things the ocean does, I can tell you that trainers and all the people entrusted with the care of these animals do everything in their power to make their lives as enriched as possible. What would be wrong is releasing them into sea pens or straight into the ocean because they are not equipped to survive and the funds simply are not there to care for animals in sea pens.
They’re torn away from their families at young ages which causes severe psychological damage and then they’re placed in a closed space with strangers which leads to tension and bullying.
Let me define anthropomorphism for you. It is applying human characteristics to animals. You can’t say for certain that they are suffering from psychological damage. Can you read their minds? Can anyone? The makers of Blackfish? No. It’s not possible. They’re in a place that has many open pools so they can get away from each other if need be. And even so, in their own pods they wouldn’t willingly leave their family. It doesn’t lead to tension or bullying. It leads to animals asserting dominance over other animals which is completely natural and happens in the wild every single day, all the time. Aggression is a behavior that these animals display because it is in their nature. Without aggression they would have gone extinct. And let me stress once more, for what feels like the millionth time, that we do not take animals out of the wild anymore. We have breeding programs which diminishes the need to take animals out of their natural habitats.
The Blackfish movement is going somewhere. Because people know right from wrong.
I pray you’re wrong. Because if the Blackfish movement does go somewhere it is facilities like Sea World that have the funds and facilities to care for these animals that will suffer. Hundreds of animals will have to be put down because no other company has the ability to care for all of them. If Sea World goes down, so does their rehabilitation programs and all of the other animals they care for. The animals won’t go into the wild, or sea pens because that is far too expensive and risky. Before Keiko died they were running out of funds to keep him alive and he would have been recaptured if not for his death. His death that was caused by being forced to live wild. So I hope you’re wrong. I hope people do know the difference between right and wrong and understand that putting animals into sea pens and into the wild that have spent their lives in captivity is killing them. I hope people will do their research. I hope people will look at both sides objectively before making up their minds. I hope people will take the facts into consideration. I hope people will not take Blackfish as their only source of information.
Captivity can always improve. Our methods and understanding can always get better, more advanced. There is hope for a better captivity. I urge you to keep that in mind.
Okay. Let’s break this one down.
The pools are not state of the art. I don’t know whether you’re talking about SeaWorld or parks in general but even your beloved SeaWorld has cement chipping away, chlorinated water (which they’ve already confessed is only to help give them that clear LOOKING water), and most of the tanks aren’t even deep enough for some of the orcas to be completely upright. Also, the CEO of Seaworld’s house is larger than any of the tanks. Even if he was abnormally large for a human when you combine the size to “home” ratio on these guys it’s needless to even point out how backwards it is. And let’s not forget that this CEO can actually LEAVE his house.
Enough with the anthropomorphism argument. Your argument is that we don’t know what they’re feeling so we can’t prove that we’re damaging them or that they’re depressed but what you guys always fail to mention is that that argument equally goes both ways. We also can’t prove that they’re not depressed or psychologically traumatized. And considering that orcas have an another entire part of their brain that humans don’t have that is actually dedicated towards emotion and social bonding, I’d say it’s a pretty good bet that they are getting pretty emotional about these situations we’re putting them in. Image being abducted from your family and loved ones or being born into a world where you have 40% of your food with held from you that you’ll only receive once you’ve done a few circles and given a few waves, your inbred babies transferred to another park, given Xanax so you’ll stop wailing all night and day about it. Then add another part of your brain that heightens all those emotional feelings. I’m willing to bet most people would want to off themselves after a few years or at least be FEELING pretty strongly about it.
I’m not even going to argue with you about their whole breeding program, because all it will take for you is quick google search to see that it’s nothing more than them jacking off Tilikum and breeding him with almost every single barely (or not) sexually mature female in their parks. Try and find me three whales in their family tree in the last ten years that haven’t been inbred.